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Post by Alice Prewett on Sept 8, 2008 14:03:29 GMT -5
I wanted to make a note to those death eaters on a bit of cannon-ness by JKR that I've seen being used on the forums a few times. J.K Rowling has said that Severus Snape was the only Death Eater past or present to be able to produce a Patronus. According to her this is 'because a Patronus is used against things that the Death Eaters generally generate, or fight alongside. They would not need Patronuses'. So I would think that the use of a patronus by any death eater (other than severus) to send messages like the order members use would not be possible for the death eaters form of communication. Even in a forum like this I think it's something that should be kept to cannon at least.  just my suggestion. |
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Sept 8, 2008 14:06:04 GMT -5
But owls are so slow...  |
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Post by Bellatrix Black on Sept 8, 2008 14:06:09 GMT -5
so what would be the appropriate form of quick communication for death eaters?
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Post by Lucius Malfoy on Sept 8, 2008 14:07:42 GMT -5
Voldy can contact us quickly with the Dark Marks, but I don't think DEs can use them to contact each other. There needs to be a faster way.
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Post by Rabastan Lestrange on Sept 8, 2008 14:13:58 GMT -5
I'm fairly sure that JKR addressed this, but I can't quite remember what it was.
But we'll come up with something.
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Post by Andromeda Tonks on Sept 8, 2008 14:15:32 GMT -5
I still wonder why summoning charms don't work on people. |
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Post by Rabastan Lestrange on Sept 8, 2008 14:16:49 GMT -5
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Post by Alice Prewett on Sept 8, 2008 14:55:29 GMT -5
alot of good points in that thread...
"The dark marks are a Protean charm like Hermione used on the galleons for the DA - in fact she said she got the idea from the dark marks. As the caster of the charm she was able to send short messages to the coins, telling when the next meeting of the DA was. This would be ideal for Voldemort."
"When you are controlling people by grinding them under your boot, you don't want them getting together comparing tread marks. Voldemort wants direct control over the Death Eater's."
Both of which I agree with.. it seems a one way communication for Voldy to boss the DE around and he wouldn't want them to have too much direct communication unless he instructed it or if they had a need due to specific assignments. They can't use patronuses obviously either.
I doubt they'd have some super quick way to communicate at least as a group. Though maybe certain members might come up with a way to communicate with certain others on their own, like within families for instance.
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Post by Bellatrix Black on Sept 8, 2008 15:13:05 GMT -5
Right, so perhaps Voldemort wouldn't want them to communicate, but there would still be a way for normal everyday witches and wizards to communicate. Owl Post is simply not plausible for emergencies. If muggles can figure out a way then as a superior race, wizarding citizens would have something as well.
if we aren't going to use patronuses on this site, could we at least come up with a non-canon answer to this issue?
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Post by Alice Prewett on Sept 8, 2008 15:14:49 GMT -5
thinking thinking.. they need a wizarding version of a telephone  |
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Post by Andromeda Tonks on Sept 8, 2008 15:17:22 GMT -5
Well, I think it's only been done once on this board (out of only 3 times patronuses have been used as a means of communication on the board). I don't see the point in changing the existing reference, it was just an offhanded reference. But in future, I guess we'll find an alternate method. I think that the core group (Malfoys and Lestranges), at least, ought to have a way to communicate with each other besides owls.
But although I try to hold at least close to canon, there are some differences. For example, I know Andromeda was never an auror. She won't stay one, but for now I thought it would add extra intrigue. Also, I messed up and made Andromeda the older sister, but in fact, she was the middle sister. Bellatrix was the oldest. I had always thought Andromeda was the oldest.
Then there is Severus--when this board started, it was before Deathly Hallows came out. We didn't know what the nature of Snape's relationship with Lily was. As a result, he's in love with Natalie instead of Lily.... which was not even something I intended to have happen.
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Post by Andromeda Tonks on Sept 8, 2008 15:20:11 GMT -5
I like the idea of some kind of modified version of the Protean Charm using coins or some other common object.
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Post by Alice Prewett on Sept 8, 2008 15:21:37 GMT -5
lol well natalie could always be that "in between girl that he has the hots for temprorarily" and then refer back to lilly every so often as the girl who got away blah blah.. those things are easy to fix actually if you put it into the story line as if something that happened but was not expressed yet in the plot of our forums.
as for the communication thing.. how about the portraits?? those oculd be used to pass messages using portraits of family members known to be anti-muggle and trusted to be on the side of the lestranges and the blacks. ..or 'magic mirrors'...
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Post by Bellatrix Black on Sept 8, 2008 15:25:49 GMT -5
Portraits would only work if the person you were trying to communicate with was always in a place with that particular person's portrait. basically, ineffective.
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Post by Andromeda Tonks on Sept 8, 2008 15:27:50 GMT -5
The two-way mirror thing could work, though...
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Post by Alice Prewett on Sept 8, 2008 15:29:44 GMT -5
you also don't want to make it TOOO easy for the death eaters either. |
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Post by Bellatrix Black on Sept 8, 2008 15:32:12 GMT -5
i just dont think this is an issue strictly for death eaters. owls are slow for everyone. how do the ministry workers (ones that arent in the order) communicate effectively?
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Post by Andromeda Tonks on Sept 8, 2008 15:36:34 GMT -5
Within the ministry, they use memos that are transformed into magic paper airplanes that zip between floors.
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Post by Bellatrix Black on Sept 8, 2008 15:40:00 GMT -5
And when they aren't in the Ministry building?
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Post by Alice Prewett on Sept 8, 2008 15:44:26 GMT -5
the probelm is that if it's too easy to communicate within the wizarding world... then the storyline that JKR wrote wouldn't hold up. There are too many times where things would never have happened if such communication existed.
We know that portraits can be used from one frame to another especially if one of each family shares a photo of that person. We know that fireplaces and floo networks can be used. Owls ARE the main form of communication. There is also the flying paper airplanes used in the ministry for memo communication. which explains your concern Bella. And of course there are the one way coins in which only the person who created the charm (aka the controlling charmed item) can issue information but not in reverse. And also the patronuses which dark wizards can't use and wouldn't even know about really.
And with every "easy wizard way" there has to be weaknesses and flaws to it for a storyline to work right... just like no character is all powerfull, they all have a weakness. I think we could easily go with one of two options though...
a - there is a portrait of someone that could be in multiple "handy places" ... like a certain one in the castle and one in the black family home and maybe one somewhere else they could use to go to and communicate with. I don't think it out of cannon to do this and would imagine the dark wizards would have planted their linking portraits on purpose if they could strategically.
b - there is the same type setup as portraits but instead a set of linked mirrors they could use in some limited manner, aka non-mobile mirrors setup in strategic locations.
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